Talked About Scene: Episode 712: Mad Men: Lost Horizon
Joan takes a stand against McCann. For more Mad Men videos: http://goo.gl/e772lY.
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Go Joan! This was an epic scene but unfortunately has a sad, shamefully realistic end. Peggy's entrance into Mccann was badass but she too is going to have to deal with this bullshit.
Powerful scene
7th
AfterBuzz TV you're right, he does sit down again. It is a power struggle if only short lived.
There was another character on Mad Men named Hobart. In a season 3 episode titled The Fog. Don meets this Hobart in a hospital waiting room. This Hobart is a Prison Guard but shares some characteristics with the CEO of ME (both are bald and crude). Intentional symbolism or just a cowinkydink ?
Timely.
I NEED TO KNOW MORE!!! They didn’t resolve this in the next episode. I want to see a cut of just Joan scenes across all seasons.
Why can't I scroll down on my phone?
Hobart is utterly menacing. The camera angle adds to the menace
This is real. Happened to me.
God, I want to be Joan Holloway when I grow up.
What was so interesting about the character is that Jim Hobart was the only man on the show in the business other than Don Draper that didn't sexualize Joan. He saw her as a strong, independent, ambitious woman. A threat. He didn't disparage women, but he set a glass ceiling for them. And Joan represented busting through it.
Hobart: 50%!!???…Joan: no way!!….I want 90%!!…..Hobart; 75%….Joan…OK!!
Ladies and Gentleman, Ms. Joan Holloway….
What a woman!!!!!!!
50c on the dollar upfront cash is actually not a bad deal at all.
I worship Joan!!!!!!!
defenestrate her?
Hobart don't back down, give him credit…
H. Richard Greene has the perfect voice for this character. His low rumble is disarming and charming when we first meet him late in season one. He flips the switch here and that same tone in unmistakably menacing.
Go Joan!
It's amazing that they made such a great casting choice for such a minor role in season 1 with Greene, and they were able to bring him back at the end of season 7 for this much bigger role and he was fantastic
Joan shouldn’t mess with Hobart
If she had asked for help from Don, he would have stood with her and the boss would have to think about it twice.
I'm not sure what episode from s7. But I was shocked and appalled when Joan said outright, she chooses her man over her son. Loved her right until that point.
I hated Joan. Fake character. She has no discernible virtue or ability just infinite demands and resentment as here. And a woman of the era who was promoted from secretary to executive would not be the misandrist shrew she was. Because it would have taken a man to promote her.
"Betty Freidan" "EEOC". She was a decade early. Button pressed. Trap door open. Alligators fed – very well given her girth.
Weiner (pronounced "Whiner") did some things well but he felt compelled to scold the past. No woman talked or acted like this in 1970. There wasn't even a frame of reference for it. I know: my mom was a highly successful businesswoman of the era who faced push back and discrimination constantly. Betty Freidan? As if that Communist crone ever did anything for women! This is even a year before Griggs and disparate impact. EEOC lawyers in 1970 were saying: "get me coffee honey".
God, we are drowning in lies. Whiner did his part even in this fantastic series. Joan hurt it but didn't ruin it.